(soon)
Sunday, June 13, 2004
On conceptual
mining of chat log files
In edit
Studio 12: Howdy Paul
Studio 12: good morning
Paul: morning
Paul: nice to see ya
Paul: i am hoping also that
Miranda will be in
Paul: i wanted to talk about
the nature of community
Paul: with her, and you and
everyone
Studio 12: oh?
Paul: let me write some
about this morning and post it.
Studio 12: ok cool
Paul: the posting would be
like a bead
Paul: in a new bead game
Paul: but the formality of a
bead game will not be available
Paul: to record the
discussion
Paul: unless someone
captures the text and preserves this
Studio 12: did you know the
manor can save a log?
Paul: yes
Studio 12: cool
Studio 12: i'm sure we can figure out a way i time
Studio 12: in time
Paul: i will experiment wit
this
Paul: today
Studio 12: cool
Paul: one has to edit the
log
Paul: and separate the
concepts
Paul: http://www.bcngroup.org/beadgames/InOrb/fifteen.htm#_Separating_concepts_using
Studio 12: would that be
something a "bead master" do?
Paul: talks about separating
concepts
Paul: yes
Paul: and his/her staff
Paul: the tools for
automating this are almost ready
Studio 12: cool
Paul: but as you can see in
the text we have produced already in this log file..
Paul: the concepts are
entangled
Paul: deeply
Paul: in how we express in
language
Paul: the bead game should
be about "communities"
77 entered the room
77 left the room
Studio 12: Howdy 77
Paul: initially there are
two technical issues that need to be addressed. These are as they are because of the nature of the tools one has
rather than the nature of finding linguistic variation as subject indicators
Paul: the first is the words
Paul: they have to be
spelled and there is needed a taxonomy for these words
Paul: and the second is the
selection of a text unit that is larger than words
Paul: that
"covers" the social discourse
Paul: sentences
Paul: paragraphs
Paul: are good
Paul: but passages are
better
Paul: but what is a passage?
Paul: ..
Paul: ..
Studio 12: paul is this orb app
just for PC?
Paul: it is to be posted to
Python
Paul: right now it is in VB
Paul: windows
Paul: but the Orb
application can and should be external
Paul: to the Manor
Paul: at least for now
Studio 12: k
Paul: until Nathan gets the
time
Paul: to do something
Studio 12: so when did you
want to start this bead?
Paul: and we have no funding
for that
Paul: well this morning
Paul: i can do it manually
Studio 12: shall i start
commenting or should i wait?
Paul: http://www.bcngroup.org/beadgames/InOrb/seventeen.htm
Paul: we just have to choose
what to make a copy of and then repost
Paul: so that when others
come in they can read
Paul: and pick it up
Paul: the question about what
is a passage is a good one
Paul: but I do not know how
long it will be before Miranda will log in
Paul: i am going to do some
writing about communities
Paul: as a separate bead
Paul: this morning
Paul: .
Paul: ..
Paul: can a script be made
that takes a log file , saves with a number and then creates an empty log file
with the next number on it
Paul: and puts some HTML
around it
Paul: so that it gets posted
in the format of the beads
Paul: i have created
Paul: ..
Paul: ..
Studio 12: hmm i'm sure that
can be done
Studio 12: did you want that
to happen out side of the manor?
Paul: not really
Paul: but I do not see
putting text into a room
Paul: so the idea has been
to use a regular HTM: and Internet browser
Paul: but I have also
thought about a design of a client
Paul: that is specific to
Manor
Paul: we need some
development time
Paul: to do this
Studio 12: there is one
issue here i think i should bring up
Paul: listens
Paul: The orb visualization
and navigation can be in a room
Paul: with tools available in
the room
Studio 12: posting the log
to a web page creates issues for users
Paul: this is a Safe Net
concept
Studio 12: kind of falls
under security
Studio 12: yup
Paul: so one has to be aware
that all conversation is public
Studio 12: yup
Paul: or within some special
agreement
Paul: like and NDA
Paul: if one is going to be
serious about Knowledge Management
Studio 12: having a room at
GBG manor should cover the bases on that
Paul: then one needs to be
able to manipulate the log files
Paul: right
Paul: so the principles of a
Safe Net
Paul: are to be
"taught"
Paul: so that everyone
understands that there are a set of principles
Studio 12: well there are
things that can be done to add things to what is said and have them show up in
the log
Studio 12: or
Paul: we are interested in
capturing and representing knowledge
Paul: like in the knowledge
of this conversation
Studio 12: the log file can
be run through a script, say written in python that could make it web ready
Studio 12: as a text file it
would work
Paul: right
Paul: i do not think we can
do that on Windows
Paul: without releasing the
log file
Paul: and the Manor does not
do that
Studio 12: maybe what could
happen to help filter the log
Paul: in windows
Paul: i have to log off, to
get the text
Paul: but if one is in a
room
Paul: and a Python program
is creating HTML
Paul: then we can take the
next step
Paul: which is to have
special discussions
Paul: and then stand the
discussion up as an Orb indexed
Paul: sequence of beads
Paul: with concepts
separated.
Paul: ..
Paul: ..
Studio 12: is the user were
to start an entry with BGB, a room script could notated it in a certain way in
the log with something like BEAD #1 then BEAD#2 etc...
Paul: yea
Studio 12: the external app
then could pick up on that
Paul: so the users , the
person in the conversation, would need to separate passages
Paul: like I do with the
dots.
Paul: ..
Studio 12: and filter it
Paul: ..
Paul: then Nathan and I have
filters
Studio 12: yes or just type
BGB at the beginning of the entry
Paul: to do spell checking
Paul: and to edit out the
stuff that need not be there
Paul: and manipulate the
text
Studio 12: the script can
remove the BGB and add BEAD# 1
Paul: so that the concepts
are being developed into paragraphs
Studio 12: than then the
next one would get BEAD# 2
Paul: right
Paul: but you see the
problem with the delineation of passages
Paul: they have no specific
beginning and end
Paul: and passages over lap