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Monday, February 20, 2006

 

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Generative Methodology Glass Bead Games

 

On the limits of the OWL standard à [184]

Reading material [1]

Reading material [2]

Reading material [3]

Summary of the discussion up to this point à [186]

 

 

John (K) communicated to the Rosen eforum,

 

Paul,

 

I'll search for Edelman, not familiar with that literature.

 

This is exactly my idea as well and I have a presentation showing it. so

it would be a good reference. thanks.

 

minor point, "aggregation" seems opposite Rosen terms which would be

"abstraction" - the opposite of aggregation almost. The reason it

under constrains is that each "model", of either structure or function, is less than

the source and taken from it, but it is still a whole natural system

when reconstructed with new entailments. So, you get creative change,

much like a genetic recombination. At least that's how I have to

visualize it happening. "Aggregation" might work too, but I have to

think about it. What's being aggregated?

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http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/98/24/13763

 

my use of aggregation comes from the Soviet applied semiotics (Pospelov)... and my understanding of Peirce.

 

I do not know what "abstraction" means.  However, there are some technical IT definitions that I am trying to get straight. 

 

I use "induction" also, as in signal induction in gene and cell expression (communication).  But almost no one really understands how Whitehead thought about induction (for example).  Some even think that induction is merely a form of deduction, or closely related. 

 

I agree with your visualization... I think you will find Edelman's short paper perfect as a reference.  But Edelman's notion of degeneracy is not well received even though his Nobel prize is based on degeneracy in selectionism in immune system mechanisms

 

His major book is "Neural Darwinism"

 

The elements that just happen to be in the environment (as raw materials) are "aggregated up" into a whole greater than the sum of parts... through a process of selection.  Like physical atomic atoms are locallized in the formation of a compound.  So interplay between endophysical and exophysical (environmental) entailments collectively constrain the "aggregation".   I am just hoping that these words make sense.

 

The substrate is at a different level of organization in the sense that the whole interacts not with the substrate but with the next level of organization up from that substrate.

 

Of course the problem is that this is not "hierarchical", but nested.



[1] http://dip.semanticweb.org/documents/ECIS2005-A-Methodology-for-Deriving-OWL-Ontologies-from-Products-and-Services-Categorization.pdf

[2] http://www.mindswap.org/2005/OWLWorkshop/sub1.pdf

[3] http://bip.cnrs-mrs.fr/bip10/rosen.pdf