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Technological Innovation as an Evolutionary Process
3/19/2004 7:10 AM
Seconding J, please put me also out of this game, of
which purpose, agenda, membership and rules are defined nowhere. I answered
yesterday because I've been quoted in the debate. But as said in this answer,
if it is of public interest, there are several relevant public fora where the
debate can be ported, and several public organizations working to tackle those
issues at a pragmatic level and for common interest.
You can't expect people working (and they work hard,
believe me) in those organizations to accept the rules of your game, more than
you accept their own rules. The difference being that the latter are set and
played through clear, open, democratic, public process.
B
J and B,
Your unwillingness to be part of the discussion is noted and the fact of your unwillingness will be communicated to others, and will be made part of the record. This is a question about your scientific judgment, as well as that of the natural sciences.
If you change your mind we will be pleased to renew the association. The Semantic Web community, and others like it, peer review proposals (even ones that I or my colleagues have submitted) and your peer review effects the outcomes that we are discussing, and so the behavior that you exhibit towards this process has to be made part of the record. The behavior in these review panels must be examined and brought into a public discussion.
Your views on machine experiences and on the question of whether it is scientifically proper to talk about a machine knowing are also part of the record. We feel that these view are a misrepresentation of what a computer can do, and point you to the scientific literatures to correct this position.
We recognize that dedication you have made to the development of the concepts and capabilities of the so called Semantic Web, however, we feel that your grounding in reality should be examined by science peers - not mere but the W3 org or other groups that can not and will not examine the properness of the engineering philosophy toward the nature of intelligence.