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Communications on a National Project

 

 

 

Dick,

 

Several points:

 

First, your description of Peirce's views is actually a description of Frege's -- who I believe is second only to Bertrand Russell in contributing more confusion than light to the discussions of semantics:

 

> If you start with Peirce, you start by assuming that 

> semantics' main purpose is to align syntax with logical form.

 

Peirce never said anything like that, and he would protest that it is far too narrow a view of semeiotic (his term). Peirce was analyzing all possible relationships among signs of any kind, ranging from the lowest-level signals in plants and animals.  (He would have been delighted at the discovery of DNA, which confirms his basic thesis that signs are all-pervasive at every level of life -- and, in fact, that the ability to use signs is the defining characteristic of life.)

 

Second, I also believe that Saussure made very important contributions to the development of what he called semiologie. His structural approach is consistent with what Peirce called "universal grammar", which is one of the three parts of semeiotic.  In fact, the linguist Roman Jakobson and the anthropologist Levi-Strauss (who collaborated at the New School in NYC after leaving Europe during WW II) explicitly cited both Peirce and Saussure as their inspirations.

 

I agree with the following point, and so would some of my philosophical heroes, Peirce, Whitehead, and Wittgenstein:

 

 > My assumptions run more to the structuralist semantics of 

> de Saussure. These do not presume that semantics are resolved 

> or resolvable without distinguishing also the semantic differences 

> in "subject understanding". Medical coding, retail coding, and 

> all the rest are quite precise in distinguishing "subject content", 

> because there are great economic and legal costs for getting the 

> grammar right, but the subject wrong.

 

I also agree with the following point -- but up to a point:

 

> "Language successfully communicates agreements between 

> individuals both of whom have already a shared 

> understanding of the concept description -- semantic meaning 

> match ups. Language does not create these match ups, which 

> are completely dependent upon shared levels of education and 

> successful mutual assumptions of purpose and intent, things 

> nowhere guaranteed by any linguistic source document taken alone."

 

The point where I disagree is the implication that communication is not possible unless people already have "a shared understanding of the concept description."  That is true of the artificial languages of logic, programming languages, databases, knowledge bases, expert systems, etc.  But it is definitely not true of natural languages.

 

The primary difference that characterizes NLs from current artificial languages is the ability to negotiate meanings in the absence of a previous agreement.  That ability is essential for all analysis, planning, design, development, innovation, etc.  Without that ability, all growth, change, and compromise is impossible

 

Of the three kinds of reasoning in Peirce's classification, only deduction requires a previous agreement on definition.  The other two, induction and abduction (especially abduction), are methods for discovering and establishing new meanings as required.

 

For further discussion of these issues, I recommend two papers. The first is a philosophical analysis of the weaknesses of 20th century analytic philosophy and a proposed reconstruction on the basis of three logicians who understood the limits of logic, Peirce, Whitehead, and Wittgenstein:

 

http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/signproc.htm

Signs, Processes, and Language Games

 

The second is an analysis of analogical reasoning along the lines of Peirce's classification and a discussion of an implementation that has great potential for addressing the limitations of current artificial languages:

 

http://www.jfsowa.com/pubs/analog.htm

Analogical Reasoning

 

John