Scholar's discussion on HIP as an alternative to AI/SW research
4/5/2004
8:26 AM
Paul (Werbos) and Ralph , please make an additional comment.
In continuing the dialog, I have posted John's note..
and my following comment.
Paul (W) , my position on your viewpoint is that Rosen's work is needed to reinforce the thesis by Hameroff and Penrose. You always say that you have no interest in Rosen's work and do not understand his position. So the discussion cannot continue. We, you and I, have been at this point for 15 years.
Your viewpoint is that mathematics as currently defined, (Hilbert-like in nature) is sufficient to model human cognition. In fact your patent with Ludmilla can be seen to make this claim explicit. (Is this a fair representation of your position?)
Ralph, your previous statement at
was helpful in making it clear that you are willing to go along with Semantic Web community consensus, but that you prefer an alterative (which only exists as true Topic Maps - not what is distorted by Jim Hendler and Bernard Valant:
with their often repeated comments that RDF can be used to model Topic Maps.) My claim is that your single message (above) shows that there is in fact economic pressure to go along with the SW position.
I know that the two first authors, Newcomb and Biezunski, of the Topic Map standard find it uncomfortable to defend the original motivation for topic maps; (see: www.topicmaps.org ) and are now not on the Topic Maps standard committee. (see: http://www.topicmaps.org/about.html ) having been displaced by more of the geek standards movement.
However, the difference between (the original vision of) Topic Maps and RDF paradigms is close to the difference between the early Wittgenstein position on language (as having a one to one correspondence with the objects of reality) and the later Wittgenstein position of language (as a means to point at reality).
Sowa has made several precise statement on the failure of OWL.
These statements and discussions show that one paradigm is funded and a persistent alternative is not.